Originally Posted by Altec Best
It just depends. Most things these days are not made in one country. Wager you are getting Chinese mags on your new GPA speakers.
There are legal stipulations about "percentage of work".
I recall the Taurus SHO engine in the 90's. Designed by Yamaha, cast in US, shipped to Japan for machining, then assembled in US. Made in USA.
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It just depends. Most things these days are not made in one country. Wager you are getting Chinese mags on your new GPA speakers.
There are legal stipulations about "percentage of work".
I recall the Taurus SHO engine in the 90's. Designed by Yamaha, cast in US, shipped to Japan for machining, then assembled in US. Made in USA.
I'm talking about this particular 604 in this thread. That is made by Altec Lansing and assembled by Northern Electric. Were talking about a speaker that was made in the 1940's.The Anti-trust lawsuit filed in 1949 forced WE/AT&T to sell it's stake in Northern Electric in 1956.At that point NE was forced to develop it's own products.In the 1940's-50's there were no Chinese parts that went into any of Altec's Manufacturing.For all intense of purposes,this is a 604-604B.With it's probable 20159 (paper surround) cone and the larger Multicell horn. In the 1940-50's is when America was truly an industrial giant.Not like today where there is a hodge podge of parts manufactured in many countries and assembled in who knows what country.So this speaker with it's very early serial I would say was manufactured in the early 40's
Western Electric History
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALTEC-NORTHE...item27c5e6d640
AB I NEVER said anything about Chinese parts in that Altec. I have no idea why you even said that.
But if you put the definition on the Northern Electric then we have to call GPA speakers "assembled in USA". Many cones are Eastern. As are 98% of speaker mags. You can't turn being a purist on and off. I just think if it fit the legal definition of "Made in Canada" at the time of manufacture it is grandfathered. There is zero legal reason to call it "Assembled in Canada". I am glad you pointed out it's all Altec parts, although the history you referenced does not state that. Can we guarantee the adhesives and gaskets aren't Canadian? Or that other parts may have been ordered to spec? At this point we will never know why things were done the way they were. We can quibble for the next 20 years and get nowhere, or we can move on.
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I give up dude. Anyway, that speaker LEGALLY was made in Canada.
You ignored where I asked about your info source. I have strong doubts ALL the parts were made by Altec.
In the absence of a citation, I don't agree it's all Altec.
Your neighbors called. They like your music.
I'm talking about this particular 604 in this thread. That is made by Altec Lansing and assembled by Northern Electric. Were talking about a speaker that was made in the 1940's..At that point NE was forced to develop it's own products.For all intense of purposes,this is a 604-604B.With it's probable 20159 (paper surround) cone and the larger Multicell horn. In the 1940-50's is when America was truly an industrial giant.Not like today where there is a hodge podge of parts manufactured in many countries and assembled in who knows what country.So this speaker with it's very early serial I would say was manufactured in the early 40's
Western Electric History
ALTEC NORTHERN ELECTRIC 604 15" COAXIAL SPEAKER + CROSSOVER !! | eBay
"In the 1940's-50's there were no Chinese parts that went into any of Altec's Manufacturing."
"At that point NE was forced to develop it's own products."
Sure sounds like you said I was claiming Chinese parts in a 1940's speaker. Then you say you were talking about another speaker.
"The Anti-trust lawsuit filed in 1949 forced WE/AT&T to sell it's stake in Northern Electric in 1956."
Cut and paste.
"At that point NE was forced to develop it's own products."
Edited to fit your agenda you took out phone. Says nothing about speakers, at a link YOU posted.
They still could have made under license.
This is a WWII era speaker most American manufacturing was for the war at the time.
You are wrong on component issues. Using something like a cone to date a speaker is completely wrong, that cone could have been put in last year.
I say Altec was doing war contracts...they built a lot for WWII. Assembly requires jigs, if WE/NE went to that expense they likely had molds, or at least WE did. I still see zero evidence for your opinion. If Altec made EVERY part it would have been cheaper to use Altec's jigs and finish the job. Altec likely could NOT furnish parts.You could well be proven right, and had you simply stated Think instead of were, Then not went off on the Chinese 1940's tangent this would have been a much shorter thread. Please don't present your opinion as fact, and I strongly feel web quotes should be verbatim.
Your neighbors called. They like your music.
this is the most plausible explanation so far
guns kill people,
like spoons made rush limbaugh,
fat ....
I believe the thought about it being a wartime situation might be correct. I remember someone talking about that years ago, but I've slept since then...I also remember someone saying that there was a time when it was cheaper to build things in Canada than import them from the USA, but I'm not sure.
Oh - and I removed the clip of the girl in the car because:
1. We do have people who are underage that view our forum (main reason), and
2. It really was a bit "off-topic", meaning it wasn't Altec-related.
As far as the rest of the discussion is concerned:
Yes, today is a different world when it comes to manufacturing. Nothing that I know of is totally "Made in U.S.A." anymore. There are parts that are sourced from all over, but, as someone rightly said, there is a legal percentage of the sum total that has to be actually made in this country for them to be able to claim that.
As for the rest of this discussion, let's all keep in mind that we're all here to share and enjoy our love for Altec and Altec-related stuff.
Todd W. White, Owner & Webmaster
Altec Lansing's (unofficial) Homepage
I'll drink to that. Hope a club soda and fresh lime will suffice, don't do Demon Rum, have not for years.
AB, if we got out of hand, please it's not PERSONAL. I apologize for any offense, but I expect nothing less if I post something wrong. And I have been caught at that before, remember.
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